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Old 20-01-12, 02:38 PM   #11
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Legislation like this isn't going to go away anytime soon. Even if we continue to protest it, it will still be drafted every year and brought before the judiciary committee for review. It will never pass because those in the government know that there are many issues with it that can't be resolved. So it will continue to be proposed over and over again, during each session of congress, and it will always fail to receive enough support to stay as law. There are many pieces of legislation like this already (I.E. The statehood of Puerto Rico).








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Aren't SOPA and PIPA essentially the same thing?




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This was an electory manuever.... The Republican candidates yesterday were harping about how shitty SOPA/PIPA are. If this made it to Obama's desk and he approved it, a lot of uneducated young voters would take away their vote from him on the spot.








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i hope something like pirate radio happens if it happens, only with the internet. that would be awesome. its a really stupid thing to pass.
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Oh crap, megaupload is down right now. Pirates will never stop, before Megaupload there was torrents, after we'll have something else, it's unavoidable.
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Oh crap, megaupload is down right now. Pirates will never stop, before Megaupload there was torrents, after we'll have something else, it's unavoidable.
^ This. Every word is true, the internet won't stop just as they do their best to stop hacks and everything, they will simply never stop. Somethings this big can't be stopped especially when you are affecting millions and millions of people around the world not just in the U.S.

Actually if SOPA and PIPA do pass I believe hackers and hacks will increase it's like Marijuana, since it's illegal people seek it. But if it was legal no one would care that much about it or at least the government won't pay as much as they do for it.

Also, I don't think the U.S citizens would pay taxes to be monitored even on the internet I mean for god's sake weren't U.S the country that said "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" is everyone's right? And they tried to imply to other countries also the freedom of the people itself; example, the wars.
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@Moh.Saeed, I would refrain from citing constitutionality when it comes to these kinds of things... Section 1, Subsection 8 of the US Constitution allows for the powers of Congress to be extended in the name of national benefit... I don't think constitutionality is the issue here. Further, the US Constitution doesn't protect people who steal other people's work. The issue is how far the reach should be- regulation is definitely necessary.








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@Moh.Saeed, I would refrain from citing constitutionality when it comes to these kinds of things... Section 1, Subsection 8 of the US Constitution allows for the powers of Congress to be extended in the name of national benefit... I don't think constitutionality is the issue here. Further, the US Constitution doesn't protect people who steal other people's work. The issue is how far the reach should be- regulation is definitely necessary.
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Actually, there is a constitutionality issue regarding SOPA. While there is a necessary and proper clause, there are limits to the clause as interpreted and set in precedent by the Judicial branch of the USA. A professor of constitutional law at Harvard had the following to say about SOPA and some of the interpretation issues that may arise with it:

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• The notice-and-termination procedure of Section 103a runs afoul of the “prior restraint” doctrine, because it delegates to a private party the power to suppress speech without prior notice and a judicial hearing. This provision of the bill would give complaining parties the power to stop online advertisers and credit card processors from doing business with a website,merely by filing a unilateral notice accusing the site of being “dedicated to theft of U.S. property” – even if no court has actually found any infringement. The immunity provisions inthe bill create an overwhelming incentive for advertisers and payment processors to comply withsuch a request immediately upon receipt. The Supreme Court has made clear that “only a judicial determination in an adversary proceeding ensures the necessary sensitivity to freedom of expression [and] only a procedure requiring a judicial determination suffices to impose a validfinal restraint.”
Freedman v. Maryland , 380 U.S. 51, 58 (1965). “[P]rior restraints on speechand publication are the most serious and the least tolerable infringement on First Amendment rights.” Nebraska Press Assn. v. Stuart , 427 U.S. 539, 559 (1976).

Section 103a is also constitutionally infirm because it contains a vague and sweepingdefinition of a website “dedicated to theft of U.S. property.” A site would qualify under thestatutory definition if it “enables or facilitates” infringement by a third party, whether or not such activity meets the requirements for secondary liability under existing law. The deliberatedeparture from established concepts of copyright law deprives parties of adequate guidelines or criteria to interpret the Section 103 definition. Although statutory ambiguities may be tolerablein some situations, the First Amendment demands special precision in regulations of protected expression.

Another constitutionally infirm part of the bill is Section 102, which authorizes suits by the U.S. Attorney General against foreign websites or portions thereof that allegedly “facilitate”infringement. If the owner or operator cannot be located, the Attorney General may proceed on an “in rem” theory. In such cases, it appears highly unlikely that there would ever be an adversary hearing testing the merits of the government’s allegations. Even where the owner or operator of a foreign site is known, it seems doubtful that the government’s allegations would betested, since foreign sites will often be unwilling to enter a U.S. court. In the meantime, the blacklist would deny the right of U.S. audiences to receive constitutionally protected information – at the very time our government criticizes other countries for denying their citizens access towebsites that lack official approval.
And that's just a few of the issues he raises.

Tl;dr There are constitutional problems with the SOPA bill









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Of course.


However, I have read studies that agree with you as far as it being constitutional. But the fact that one can raise a solid argument against it's constitutionality may spell trouble for it if a case were to arise.








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