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Old 15-02-10, 08:58 AM   #11
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Hitler wasn't a freaking communist.
Hitler didn't want all people to be equal, he DID give the worker class better living conditions and more dignity,because after all, they do form the base of the empire :O + even though they did try to stop him, it didn't work :O he put his plans into action, I bet some1 was trying to stop Stalin as well but w/e . The only winners from the war were Jews bleh.
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It's a brilliant idea on paper... Then again, so was the Titanic and Olympic (Titanic's sister ship) Capitalism is a little better... But no government is perfect. As materialistic as humanity is, there isn't anything that is going to work well.




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Hitler wasn't a freaking communist.
Hitler didn't want all people to be equal, he DID give the worker class better living conditions and more dignity,because after all, they do form the base of the empire :O + even though they did try to stop him, it didn't work :O he put his plans into action, I bet some1 was trying to stop Stalin as well but w/e . The only winners from the war were Jews bleh.
Yes, he was.
HA HA HA!! HE ******* KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR BEING JEWISH AND OTHER THINGS!
Holy shit, even if he did do that, he's still a communist. They have to feed their followers or else the will rebel.
And, of course he didn't want all people equal - that's not what communism is about.
Communism is about the equal sharing of miseries UNLESS you are a part of an ideology.
That could be anything. In this case, it was the Aryan race.

He wanted to overtake anything and everything and make all lesser people either dead, slaves, or forcibly converted - what do you think all those experiments on humans were for?

What I meant was no great action was taken against Stalin, this resulted in 7 to 10 million deaths due to starvation that he caused in the Ukraine, alone.
You think Hitler invented gas chambers? No, it was this guy.

Did you also know that BOTH wanted universal health care and public education - why? The government has control over both meaning they can control you.

Communism involves controlling who lives and who dies. In it, if you do not prove your worth, you are not worth keeping alive by rule of the government.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Che, any ******* dictator on the face of the planet has done this - they are all communists. Did you also know that when France was invaded - by Hitler - that the French communists actually cheered? Yes, communists cheered for Hitler!
Why? A communist can recognize another communist.

So don't try telling someone such as myself that he wasn't a communist. If you could only know a fraction of the horrors of communism that I know, you'd be saying otherwise.
Here's a tip, try asking Holocaust survivors like I have, maybe you'll learn something.
Or maybe refugees from Cuba, China, Vietnam, and he Soviet Union?

Hitler was a communist.

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Hitler was the furthest from communism you could possibly be, He used the SS to hunt down and murder every communist in Germany from when he gained status of supreme chancellor of Germany right up until his death. In Hitlers book 'Mien Kampf' he states that he blieves 'communists are dogs that need to be put down'
Do you even know why that is?
Read his ideologies and compare them to Marx.
Marx is the reason Hitler said he hated communist - care to guess why?
Marx was a Jew. An Atheistic self-hating Jew. But a Jew nonetheless.

If you like we can call Hitler a Fascist though, even though the definition has been changed since it technically means communism anyway. However, the definition has been changed to basically mean "right-wing", which is stupid considering the extreme of capitalism is actually anarchy - no regulation in other words.
None-the-less, Hitler was a communist. He wanted the communists who opposed him to be hunted down though. Consider it a purging.

Of course, you gotta remember... Hitler was insane. His word was law, but that doesn't mean he was correct.
He said he hated communists.... but evil people never see themselves as evil.
Communists don't see themselves as communists - not really at least. Most are aware that they are but they believe they are above all the rest - like a god.

All dictators are communists. No exception. Why? Because Marx was right. Socialism will always evolve into Communism.
Communism is when no one is equal. The masses are less worthy than you or a group of people.
Capitalism is when all are equal. Because with that, all can try to become the best they can be - all have an equal chance at success, if you don't try then you are only chaining yourself. But, at least then it's your choice to chain yourself down. With communism, you get no choice - unless you are one of the select few, you're already chained down just for being born a certain way.


Also, a little sidenote:
Deductive reasoning. I don't trust what my school book says, I go out and find the truth.
Plus, if you read the books, you begin to notice things don't add up.
They tell you one thing then call it other in attempts to brainwash you -- oh, oh wait. This is public school!
The government runs it! That totally explains it!
I can put two and two together then I go out and confirm it with actual people who were there.
Hell, I even know a former Nazi who actually managed to get the hell outta there (you'd be surprised who you can find at an old folks home). He even says Hitler was a communist. He was there, he oughta know.

Basically, don't trust school books, they lie.

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Old 16-02-10, 12:03 PM   #14
 
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Oh wow.... this is so fail..
This calls for a epic facepalm... but i fear if i do it my hand will burts through my head!

Please do learn the difference between communism and fascism... this is the most fail thing ive seen....
Nowhere have you said how the 2 are the same...




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Old 16-02-10, 01:20 PM   #15
 
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... you're comparing Marxist Ideology to the work of Adolf Hitler? interesting ... I would almost dare to say they were on opposite poles without the fact that Marx was Jewish even coming into play. Also 'all dictators are communists' ... that is a VERY broad statement to make ...




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Default Re: Communism.

Also to add the famous Communist Trotsky was Jewish, and it said that Lenin was of mixed jewish and russian.
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Hitler wasn't a communist. Both Hitler [en.wikipedia.org] and the Nazi Party [en.wikipedia.org] were strongly anti-comminist. Some communists were taken to concentration camps [en.wikipedia.org].

And communism was originally about equality, not dictatorship, and communist democracy is theoretically possible. It just so happens that is many cases things didn't quite turn out that way. And one could argue that capitalism doesn't mean that everyone is equal, but that everyone has equal potential.




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Old 23-02-10, 03:26 PM   #18
 
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You're right, Hitler wasn't communist. Marietta is wrong on this one, on a lot of things I agree with you, but this is dead wrong. Just because a leader of a country - be it president, fuhrer (our Germans here can correct my spelling if needed), king, dictator, whatever kills a whole bunch of people and oppresses his people does not make him communist.




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Also... Marietta..
Hitler was NOT a communist... seriously... he was a fascist.. thats the FAR political RIGHT.. communism is FAR political LEFT!
you cant get more different.

and i dont see charity and communism that much different...
Communism: Those who have.... give to those who havent
Charity: Those who have.... give to those who havent

except with charity, it is the choice of "those who have" to give.
with communism, the govt. forces them. communism steals from the people who have worked for their money. capitalism promotes competition and therefore progress.

consider this: in a communist environment, everyone maintains the same degree of wealth, regardless of how hard they work. thus: people can do nothing and get the same as the hardest-working person out there. conclusion: there is no incentive for people to work.

communism could be wonderful if people were not selfish. but they are. so, once you give your leader the power that a true-blue communist leader has, no one can stop him, he has all authority, and so can from that point ignore the rules of communist equality and manipulate his subjects (that is what they become) to get whatever he wants for himself.

communism can only work when selfishness, laziness, and greed become extinct.



and how soon is THAT going to happen??
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Old 04-03-10, 09:14 AM   #20
 
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no..... under a communist goverment.. all those who can work will work. no choice. thats the incentive.

again... wrong... communism works when other states *cough* america *cough* get their head out their own arse and stop putting embargos on countries that use it.




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