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Old 25-02-10, 10:38 AM   #31
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i still dont see whats wrong with just letting it out in the wild free.....
Because why waste all that money on a creature? It takes a lot of money to send it back.
Also, it can risk the lives of other workers.

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Ray, WE are animals.
My point still stands.
If we are animals, then killing the whale is the natural solution.
If killing is a natural part of animals then I'm correct in that they should kill it.









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Old 25-02-10, 10:39 AM   #32
 
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I agree with Allie. It should be back in it's natural habitat, it's a natural hunter.











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Old 25-02-10, 10:42 AM   #33
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I agree with Allie. It should be back in it's natural habitat, it's a natural hunter.
So are we, yet you don't see men out hunting and women gathering berries anymore, do you?

Again, I say:
"My point still stands.
If we are animals, then killing the whale is the natural solution.
If killing is a natural part of animals then I'm correct in that they should kill it."

If we are animals then it's only natural we should kill what killed one of us.









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Old 25-02-10, 10:44 AM   #34
 
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It's not "natural" for ALL animals to kill. We shouldn't just kill the animal through spite, that would be stupidly pathetic, we do not know if it was provoked or not. That's why we should just throw it back in the ocean and be done with it, that way, it can go and live a normal whale's life.











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Old 25-02-10, 10:48 AM   #35
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It's not "natural" for ALL animals to kill. We shouldn't just kill the animal through spite, that would be stupidly pathetic, we do not know if it was provoked or not. That's why we should just throw it back in the ocean and be done with it, that way, it can go and live a normal whale's life.
No, you obviously don't know the patterns of carnivores and omnivores. Even herbivores kill. It's natural to kill with animals - who cares if not all of them do it. Ever hear of survival of the fittest?

It is natural for all animals to kill - not out of spite. In the animal kingdom, that's called justice... and lunch time.

But why risk the lives of the other workers who have to transport it?

Why should it deserve to live a whales life when it killed a woman with friends and family and people who care about her?
Humans have loved ones, whales do not.









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Humans have loved ones, whales do not.
You sure about that? You said yourself, whales might be a lot smarter than we are, so we cannot draw out the fact it could have "loved ones."











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Its not going to take a 100 man mission to let a whale free.
So its ok to kill something to save money?
Sure whales dont have family... but they do have feelings. you lock it up and you have to expect it to not be happy.
Its nature for it to kill her.
Personally i say good on the whale. Someone locks me up theres not way ill roll over either. Because its natural




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Personally i say good on the whale. Someone locks me up theres not way ill roll over either. Because its natural
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Old 25-02-10, 11:00 AM   #39
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Oh, by the way, this.

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Sea World has said that the very same orca is responsible for human deaths in 1991 and again in 1999.
This is what it meant by "Violent history", oh yeah, rehabilitation totally works.

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“These behemoths are denied all of their natural, instinctual inclinations, and we humans tend to think, ‘Well, this is just a bad animal.’ But it is a wild animal, used to running free in an entire ocean, but now confined to a very small space,” says Joyce Tischler, founder of and general counsel for Animal Legal Defense Fund.
Yes, because EVERY Orca goes out and kills someone.
No, it's THIS Orca is the problem. The others are perfectly fine.
It's because this one had a violent temper that it attacked.









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You just shot yourself in the foot by posting that article....
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"“These behemoths are denied all of their natural, instinctual inclinations, and we humans tend to think, ‘Well, this is just a bad animal.’ But it is a wild animal, used to running free in an entire ocean, but now confined to a very small space,” says Joyce Tischler, founder of and general counsel for Animal Legal Defense Fund. She compares an orca’s life in captivity in a tank to keeping a human being in a bathtub for his entire life. She says most Americans have romanticized notions of sea life perpetuated by such TV series as “Flipper.” But even dolphins are known to aggressively run their teeth down the backs of humans in hundreds of incidents that are not reported outside the conservation community press, she says."

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"But “the vast majority of the orca whales in captivity would be far better off to be returned to the wild. Orcas are unbelievably ill-suited to life in theme parks and can be successfully returned to the wild. We know, because we have done it,” says David Phillips, director of the International Marine Mammal Project for the Earth Island Institute, who led the effort to rescue, rehabilitate, and release the killer whale Keiko, made famous in the movie “Free Willy.” “Orcas deserve a better fate than living in cramped pools."




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