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I got in a debate with my teacher about who's smarter boys or girls and at what?
I said girls are process-orientated people, mental motivators and better at emotional/nurturing classes. While BOYS are better leaders, goal-orientated people, phycial motivators and better at everyday stuff such as math, history, science and physical activites/fix & build'em jobs.
My teahcer said THE EXACT OPPOSITE. She said "Then why are boys doing crappier then girls in school." (Note my teahcer is female and I think a feminist.) I told her because there's not enough physical activties and justice for boys. She shrugged me off and told me to go to the office.
By the justice part I mean't that boys get suspended for a play fight or rough housing while girls can mentally kill another girl and get off the hook. WTF IS THAT?
So anyways who is right for the most part. Me or my Teacher?
You are. Guys tend to be more logic-oriented people where as girls tend to be more emotionally-oriented.
Now, of course it comes down to the individual - but speaking in generics, guys tend to be more logic-oriented.
You see, once upon a time things used to be more male oriented in schools, as in math and science were stressed the most out of the 4 core subjects. These days you have to take fine arts as required, used to it wasn't like that.
Also you gotta take into consideration that urging females to pass is over-compensation for things not being female oriented in the past. Therefore girls do better because they have a sort of stress on them to do better.
Guys, however, do not. You see girls are being stressed to do better but the guys are not being stressed at all - they have no one to push them to do better.
It's this whole "you must do better because you're a girl, so prove that girls can be just as good and better at something than guys can!" movement.
Or if you wanna look at it in different terms, to a guy it would be "Dude, you got beat by a girl!" and then there's "Dude, you just beat a girl..." which is a lose/lose situation for the guy either way.
Also, now more than ever there's a stress on guys to be more emotional thinkers - socially.
Academically there's more stress on girls to be logical, or rather academically logical (just because you can pay attention in school, doesn't make you logical) and also socially for them to be more dominating. Whereas for guys there's less of that stress academically and more of a stress socially to be more submissive and emotional.
Or in simpler terms, once upon a time women liked Alpha's... now they all want Beta's.
So in the minds of some guys, the way they get girls is to be emotional and less willing to take a leadership role.
However, if you look at IQ scores, men always score higher than women do, as a whole.
Because an IQ tests more than just smarts, it tests the ability to think logically and the ability to work problems out.
Therefore, men tend to naturally be more intelligent. It just also so happens they are less-likely to pay attention in class.
Also there's a perfectly natural hormonal reason for this... Estrogen and Testosterone.
Estrogen levels bounce around all the time in females (hence being emotional thinkers). Testosterone makes you more competitive (hence their more powerful drive to succeed in life).
Of course both men and women have both of these things in them so naturally if you have a guy with high Estrogen levels (btw, a tell-tale physical sign is basically looking really girlie) he's going to be more of an emotional thinker and may be more of a Beta. Whereas a girl with higher Testosterone may be more dominating and competitive in life.
Also environmental factors have lots to do with it too. Like I said, girls are stressed to do better when compared to guys after all.
So in short, girls doing better academically is over-compensation.
And people think only guys could over-compensate for things~ Fufufu~~
Or if you want me to be more honest, let's just say it's much much easier to destroy something than it is to build something.
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Now, in my case I produce a fairly even amount of both Estrogen and Testosterone. I was also stresses in life to be intellectual and figure things out using logic (oh, the tests I had as a child) but I have genetics on my side for that - both my parents are excellent problem solvers and my dad is so good that his level is damn near impossible to reach (ie He solves it right and solves it fast).
So with my genetics and my environment I'm naturally more of a problem-solver whereas academically I'm uninterested, hard to motivate, apathetic, and lazy. More scores were always pretty bad and I had bad or average grades in most things - however when it came down to testing time I passed with flying colors. Why? Because I retained all that info... I just choose not to use it.
That's kinda how a lot of guys are now, willing to just scrape by and pass the whole year just-so rather than bust their asses the whole year to pass with great grades.
That can be judged as either brilliant or stupid depending on who you talk to. Because I mean, they know all this shit they just choose not to over-exert themselves until need-be.
Hell, it worked for me, everyone always thinks I'm academically inept until they saw my exam results. But in my case it was because if I made great grades in anything,then they'd expect that all the time and I'd have to work harder... and like hell if I did that.
This last part was mostly rambling.
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You are. Guys tend to be more logic-oriented people where as girls tend to be more emotionally-oriented.
Now, of course it comes down to the individual - but speaking in generics, guys tend to be more logic-oriented.
You see, once upon a time things used to be more male oriented in schools, as in math and science were stressed the most out of the 4 core subjects. These days you have to take fine arts as required, used to it wasn't like that.
Also you gotta take into consideration that urging females to pass is over-compensation for things not being female oriented in the past. Therefore girls do better because they have a sort of stress on them to do better.
Guys, however, do not. You see girls are being stressed to do better but the guys are not being stressed at all - they have no one to push them to do better.
It's this whole "you must do better because you're a girl, so prove that girls can be just as good and better at something than guys can!" movement.
Or if you wanna look at it in different terms, to a guy it would be "Dude, you got beat by a girl!" and then there's "Dude, you just beat a girl..." which is a lose/lose situation for the guy either way.
Also, now more than ever there's a stress on guys to be more emotional thinkers - socially.
Academically there's more stress on girls to be logical, or rather academically logical (just because you can pay attention in school, doesn't make you logical) and also socially for them to be more dominating. Whereas for guys there's less of that stress academically and more of a stress socially to be more submissive and emotional.
Or in simpler terms, once upon a time women liked Alpha's... now they all want Beta's.
So in the minds of some guys, the way they get girls is to be emotional and less willing to take a leadership role.
However, if you look at IQ scores, men always score higher than women do, as a whole.
Because an IQ tests more than just smarts, it tests the ability to think logically and the ability to work problems out.
Therefore, men tend to naturally be more intelligent. It just also so happens they are less-likely to pay attention in class.
Also there's a perfectly natural hormonal reason for this... Estrogen and Testosterone.
Estrogen levels bounce around all the time in females (hence being emotional thinkers). Testosterone makes you more competitive (hence their more powerful drive to succeed in life).
Of course both men and women have both of these things in them so naturally if you have a guy with high Estrogen levels (btw, a tell-tale physical sign is basically looking really girlie) he's going to be more of an emotional thinker and may be more of a Beta. Whereas a girl with higher Testosterone may be more dominating and competitive in life.
Also environmental factors have lots to do with it too. Like I said, girls are stressed to do better when compared to guys after all.
So in short, girls doing better academically is over-compensation.
And people think only guys could over-compensate for things~ Fufufu~~
Or if you want me to be more honest, let's just say it's much much easier to destroy something than it is to build something.
----
Now, in my case I produce a fairly even amount of both Estrogen and Testosterone. I was also stresses in life to be intellectual and figure things out using logic (oh, the tests I had as a child) but I have genetics on my side for that - both my parents are excellent problem solvers and my dad is so good that his level is damn near impossible to reach (ie He solves it right and solves it fast).
So with my genetics and my environment I'm naturally more of a problem-solver whereas academically I'm uninterested, hard to motivate, apathetic, and lazy. More scores were always pretty bad and I had bad or average grades in most things - however when it came down to testing time I passed with flying colors. Why? Because I retained all that info... I just choose not to use it.
That's kinda how a lot of guys are now, willing to just scrape by and pass the whole year just-so rather than bust their asses the whole year to pass with great grades.
That can be judged as either brilliant or stupid depending on who you talk to. Because I mean, they know all this shit they just choose not to over-exert themselves until need-be.
Hell, it worked for me, everyone always thinks I'm academically inept until they saw my exam results. But in my case it was because if I made great grades in anything,then they'd expect that all the time and I'd have to work harder... and like hell if I did that.
This last part was mostly rambling.
*mouth drops to the floor drolling*
That was probably the most detailed, longest and informative comment I've evver seen.
Well, Zachary, I'm not sure about your teacher's motivation here, what the 'lesson' was. From your description, her purpose was far more self serving than educational. Presenting the findings that demonstrate the differences in the way boys think Vs. the way girls think is a lot different than saying that one is 'smarter' than the other. That's biased, it results in resentment and defensiveness, and it's really inappropriate. And maybe that's what you're responding to. If that's the way it went down, that the teacher used junk science to 'prove' that girls are 'smarter' than boys, frankly I'd tell my folks b/c a teacher like that who uses her position as an authority to promote her own, biased (and largely untrue) viewpoints should be spoken to by her superiors.
As an FYI, neither gender is 'smarter' than the other. Rather, there is some evidence that certain strengths are more often associated with one gender. Typically, boys are more linear in their thinking, they are typically better at those tasks that require logic (like math and science), b/c our brains are wired that way, to be faster 'problem solvers' (It's also why girls get so frustrated with us when we show less patience for long winded stories, esp. when they seem to be pointless). Girls are better at verbal tasks, like english and social studies, the abilites that are typically more 'verbal'. Girls also have better impluse/self control. However, the effects of socialization cannot be ruled out, many of those differences are the result of how we're raised.
With regard to your teacher's assertion that boys get into trouble more, that is correct. However, what she failed to mention is that they typically get into trouble far more often when the person in charge is a girl. That's b/c girls tend to be less understanding about the needs of boys and the best way of managing them and their increased energy levels. Guy teachers, on the other hand, have less problems with boys b/c they intuitively understand what guys need. So, although your teacher is correct about her (nasty) assertion that 'boys do crappier in school', she fails to take into account that the cause very often is the result of thinking just like hers.
lastly, people like your teacher, who cannot separate her own feelings and needs from the broader needs of those around her are not really good people to get into discussion with., regardless of how offensive you find their views. Like bumper stickers, their comments are not so much designed to invite an exchange of viewpoints, but rather shut opposing ones down.
Keep you head down here, and stay focused on the task, which is to get thru the year with as many "A's" as possible.
"Then why are boys doing crappier then girls in school."
What statistics is she using to come to that conclusion? If she's going by colleges, then it should be noted that there are more females in college, due to affirmative action. Thus, such statistics are invalid.
Moreover, if she is indeed correct, that wouldn't put a dent in your argument. All academia is is an institution put in place to teach people how to take orders. If males are indeed more charismatic (have better leadership qualities), then this would directly conflict with such an institution. Ergo, she's a moron.
Today's society is completely out of whack when it comes to gender roles. If you want to piss your teacher off though, you can draw from my Men Are Better Than Women scripts:
Or in simpler terms, once upon a time women liked Alpha's... now they all want Beta's.
So in the minds of some guys, the way they get girls is to be emotional and less willing to take a leadership role.
I disagree. They still want alphas. They just aren't allowed to fess up to it in public or they're full of themselves, a bitch, a snob, this, that and the other thing.
Quote:
You won't ever discover who are smarter
boys or girls
not every boy and every girl
is the same
maybe some boys are good at maths and science
but others not
I know many girl who like football, physics and all that
so : ))
My friend, we are discussing the rule, not necessarily the exception. In other words, we're discussing generally how it is. Not universally.
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