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What are your thoughts on where humanity is leading itself? What with creating more and more technology, leaving the so called "animals" behind in the dust as though we are the most important species there is on Earth.

Maybe we're taking this whole life thing too far? I mean, look at other animals. They're living just fine as they are, perhaps we're too "smart" for our own good? This leads me onto the title of the thread, are we out of control? Does humanity need to be halted in it's progress before it's too late? This is what I believe.

Personally, I feel like we do not need these so called "advanced" emotions, thoughts and personality traits that make us humans so different from the other species, the other races, we're just far too cocky to feel as though we're on par with any other. All of this talk about war, famine, wealth, greed, crime, what can this all be stopped by? Eliminating humanity itself. If there were no humans, we wouldn't have to worry about such things.

Sure, a new species could replace us as that is as deadly, as idiotic, as ignorant, as childish as we are - perhaps even more. However, the is still a massive chance that this will not be the case. Whatever shall replace us could benefit Earth, the universe, benefit life everywhere.

What are your views on this subject? Do you agree with what the governments do to control you, start wars, give reason for crime, make the world more of a living hell than it already is?

I deliberately made this a rather broad subject so it doesn't restrict what is discussed. If you disagree with me? Reply to this thread, explain why, same if you do agree.

Too long; didn't read?
Humanity, are we out of control?

No, I don't believe we are. Bad things are cause be excess, not thoughts and emotions themselves - but an excess of those.
For example, the seven deadly sins, all of them have positive and negative sides. The negative are what equal the deadly.

I, for one, value that I am human and as such can advance in order to make myself happy and others whom I wish happy.

Because we are so intelligent naturally there will be bad things, but one must also look at the good.

Also just because the government runs things into the dirt doesn't mean the whole species is.
The government, regardless of which, is a power-hungry entity who wishes nothing but to have us as all little mind slaves in order to secure their own power.
In which case which should be done? Fix the government and those running it or kill us all off?
The first is the most logical.

Wars are started over Pride, Envy, Wrath, Sloth (which is a variety of things), Greed, Gluttony, and Lust - in excess. It's about those who desire more and wish nothing but to drag another powerful being or country down so that they can be on top.
It's about a body of power, or just one person, who has become too powerful and uses a sense of false pride to control the masses.
In which case, the person or body needs to be taken out to spare the rest of the world.

How is it you win at Chess? You capture the King of course. Take out the King, you win the game. The same can be said for wars. Those who start wars want power. Those who retaliate either wish to protect themselves and their people or to take out the one who started it to spare the rest of the world.
It just so happens that the spoils also go to the victor, there's nothing wrong with that, after all they did win.

Point is, we have intelligence, instead of trying to eliminate it... we should utilize it in order to make the world a better place than it is. So what if we can't have it now? If we can get there then that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

We are not on par with any other either. I mean how many other animals do you see that have advanced to our level.
We're smarter than other animals, what's wrong with accepting that we were chosen to be smart (regardless as to if you believe in evolution or creation, either way you can argue we were chosen).
Point is, we are smart and intelligent.

If you wanna help in this so called out of control thing, then by all means practice what you preach. I for one am not going to try and stop you.
Oh but of course there's that annoying hypocrisy thing - that those preaching it always believe that they are above what they say, be it for whatever reason.
If they did not, then they would practice what they preach.


Also, I can't possibly take any of what you say seriously. It's too damn asinine.
Instead of loathing that you were born into this pathetic race you should strive to make it better.

I think that most life in the form of animals and humans are doing what is natural for them to survive and I think thats doing whatever you need to do in order to survive. I think that we will always be resource hungry and will use and abuse any resource we can get our hands on, like in the future perhaps we would use all planets we could for energy and as places to live etc we could eventually pollute the entire Universe someday, maybe that is why we are here lol

I dont think we should get rid of ourselves, perhaps cut down on pregnancies and such but the entire human race topping itself doesnt seem realistic and we should look at ways of benefitting from the planet and other planets without destroying them if we can.

I think our intelligence even though it can be bad for us is a great thing, were creative and without intelligence we wouldnt have that. We are special in comparison to other species in this way and thats probably why we feel like were more important and better than them.

I think we should preserve life on Earth like animals etc and live along side them and be able to live ourselves of course. If we were to ever venture further into space I am sure we would be bringing the animals with us. Perhaps that is our job in the Universe as intelligent beings, to spread life and preserve it where we can.

We may not need our emotions but it is what makes us different and I prefer it how it is myself, I wouldnt fancy being eaten because I wasnt able to comprehend some danger at some point. It helps us a lot and without it, not that we would care, I think the world would be bad as in killings, fighting for food etc

Without our emotions and such I can see people living in third world countries dieing off very fast due to us not caring about sending them aid.

I think and hope someday we end up masters of the Universe, being able to control space as much as possible, live off it and perhaps spread life as far as we can, but of course with how crazy people can be it doesnt seem realistic especially how the chances of Nuclear bombings increases over time.

At the same time I can imagine us ending up all united on Earth going against other alien civilisations and ending up being less advanced and slaughtered by them.

I dont agree with some aspects of government control like taking DNA at birth but I can see it beneficial, perhaps some of the control is beneficial for us like storing such data on us would prevent a lot of serious crimes. I certainly wouldnt enjoy a camera being on every street though and perhaps even in our homes.

I agree with going against terrorists and the likes, we need to in order to prevent further damage/killings etc in our own countries and in others. I dont think war can be prevented a lot of the time due to leaders declaring it on another country and then of course they will need to defend themselves and do whatever they can, I am all for self defense whether its personal self defence or defending yourself and country from a war. I dont think its right to declare war without reason or anything.

Being such a broad subject for discussion, I thought it was worthy for posting. I am, of course, never going to create some cult just so everyone can kill themselves - no. I was merely stating that without us, there would be none of the things we dislike today, such as war etc. I am living life to the full, but there is obviously a lot of improvement for humanity to go through, it is obviously merely in it's adolescence, I understand this, of course.

I agree with you on everything you've said, Ray. We should just get on with it, strive for something better in ourselves. What I said is like a child saying "I want to become a princess!" who is not born that of royalty. Pondering such questions also make us who we are, why are we here? What would change if we weren't here?

Yes, what foolish as my thoughts sound, it is none-the-less true. I believe we will not change for the better, we will only worsen. Heck, before we've even got to the stage where we start to change, we would have taken ourselves out with everything else with it. Now that is selfishness. Granted, I could be completely off here, I cannot read what will happen in the future, these are mere thoughts. Obviously I cannot make you believe my utter foolishness to be anything other than that, however you cannot deny that what I said was more or less spot on. It is, however, suicide in a broader sense. Long term solution to a short term problem. However, if we have no chance of improving? I believe we should just carry on until that point.

On the other hand, there are lots of things that do not have a say in such matters. Anything that cannot communicate to us, whether it be plants, animals, the Earth itself, all of these things cannot do anything to stop us. Bringing on our own doom is what we have been born to do, and we are, sadly enough, going to take everything down with it.

Being animals ourselves, we are indeed out to stay alive. We wish to stay alive as long as we can, prolong our lives so that we have more chance to live. This is basic animal instinct that allows us to live every day, this is what stops us from being killed. Unfortunately enough, this does lead to unneeded greed, such as people looking to live for longer. There is nothing wrong with this, however, with the amount of people being born this would be utterly impossible to control if we could ever find out how to live for hundreds upon hundreds of years. If this point comes, as Michael had put it, we would need less pregnancies. I even believe we should have a limit to how many children we can have now, as our species is running out of places to live, stealing these places from other worthy creatures.

I just find it rather naive how highly we think of ourselves. Quite frankly, we have been especially lucky we haven't been killed off yet, let alone all other animals on the planet. Maybe this is what allowed us to become so advanced? Having the luck to stay alive all these years without an Armageddon type of event happening is quite astonishing, not being wiped out by a meteor like what may have happened with the dinosaurs.

(Woopsy, double post. Felt the need to reply to Michael.)

Eh, just a little yes. If all else fails I vote for taking down all internety signals and going back to villages (wild west).

I agree - back in the days when humanity was more simple, less self destructive, that is what I wish to return. There were still wars, still famine, all the rest of it - it was more fair, however. Hand to hand combat? Nowadays, you'd be shot down even if you tried. The leaders of the country? Tucked away nicely in there safe homes, letting others fight their wars for them. The pathetic society we live in currently is rather depressing.

yep. leaders don't know how to fight just remotely command. people are to attached to green stuff, maybe go back to salt?

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Even though I am inclined to agree with you on certain aspects about Humans as a whole going out of control, It's not entirely true. Even though things will most likely get worse; things have to get worse before they get better ( Thats how I see it anyway) Nothing is gained until something is lost, which is how we've grown as a species both emotionally and Pysically.

Yes war won't cease even if we go back to a simpler less technological time, war will continue regardless; It's part of who we are as humans, we want something bad enough we will fight for it, we may even fight for the sake of fighting. but as I said out of the chaos that is war something new and positive may come out of it - it links with when something is lost something is gained. Usually the loss is huge and in the direct aftermath the benefit isn't clear or worth it, but after a certain amount of time it shows to be great benefit for alot of people.

As Micheal said, we may be here to spread life to the rest of the UNiverse, to preserve it. Which is what we're on the path to doing now, we're trying to preserve life on earth; I know it's only the minority at the moment, but as time progresses and the realities of what we're doing come to light we'll move past the Ignorant selfish beings we've become.

Personally I believe out Intelligence is a gift, we may not use it for the best of purposes at times e.g. War, but as I said Technology and war have always been linked, think about it. Through out the history of man, out of war has always brought new technology for destruction, but then that same the technology was used for creation and for advancing us. but with such tech we became arrogant and selfish. for example, WWII gave birth to the Atmoic Weapon and the Atomic Age overall, but soon after the weapons were used we started to develop them into power sources to adavnce ourselves but at the same time we grew content with the power we were given and the concerns for everything else were forgotten.

I suppose on the fence for this, I don't beleive we should be stopped in our advancement, but neither should we be sped up. If you stop or hinder advancment, for exmaple like in the middle ages we're the Church hindered scientific research and branded it hearsy, a certain amount of Unrest and civil disputes took place and led people to anger and war, but if you speed up the process the same happens, Humans get over confident and beleive that we can use the technology to make war and win easily, but ti doesn't happen.

I say keep us advancing at steady rate where we consider the action we are taking and the effect it'll have ourselves and the Earth as a whole, or maybe I'm being to idealisitic; Who knows.

This is one of my favorite topics to discuss. In all honesty, I don't believe this planet was prepared for all this pollution and harm that humans have caused it. Of course most humans want humanity to keep going so I can't say you will get many people to agree with you Rinali. Its in a species natural instinct to repopulate and help its own race become stronger, and because humans have the power to do so we take advantage of that as the most powerful species. Not that I think we are deserving of living on such a beautiful planet, because its slowly being destroyed.

Who knows what lies beyond space, more species like us, other planets like earth, a parallel reality, hell we may never find out. One thing I'd especially like to add is that I hate how people constantly bitch about the "apocalypse". Alright people, the chances of that happening in the next million years is next to NOTHING. People are way to fictional and aren't practical, its as if they still act like kids (maybe that proves your point how childish the human race is) Anyway, I agree the Earth would be a much better place without humans but then again we wouldn't be here if that weren't so.