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That it shouldn't be built. It's a sign to the radical Muslims that we are practically admitting defeat.
I don't give a fuck what non-radicals think, I care what the people we are at war with think.
Face it, radical Islam attacked us and they've been attacking before and after 9/11. And it hasn't been just us, it's been others as well.
That's why it shouldn't be built, because it's bending over backwards to appease the enemy.
Instead they should rebuild the towers bigger than they were before and give a big "fuck you!" to radical Islam.
Also most of the people don't want it, neither do most of the families of the victims.
Therefore it would be bad in the public eye as well.
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Please don't curse and please don't bash them. When you speak like that no one cares about you're opinion. Please use clean LOGICAL terms before giving your opinion.
I'm sorry if I didn't make this clear, but WHAT ISSUES DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BEFORE THE BUILDING OF THE MOSQUE.
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"I will burn my dread I once ran away from the god of fear And he chained me to despair I'll break the chain And run till I see the sunlight again"
I'll curse if I damn well like it, don't tell me what to do.
I hate using logical terms, it's a farce to make people seem smarter than they really are - I speak bluntly and honestly.
Really? Because I speak like that all the damn time and people seem to care about what I say quite often. It's the way I speak, it's the way I'll always speak and there is no changing it. Doesn't make me any less logical because I choose to speak this way. It's much for fun than spending my time trying to convince myself that I'm above others based purely on the way I speak.
Yes, that's the issue. The issue of if it should be built or not. Also I did state so in my last part. That it would be bad in the public eye for it to be built.
Shout, Shout, Let it all Out, These are the Things I Can do Without You Shouldn't Have to Jump for Joy, You Shouldn't Have to Shout for Joy
They Give You Life and in Return You Gave 'em Hell As Cold as Ice - No Bitch, You're Ice Ice Baby I Hope We Live to Tell the Tale, I Hope We Live to Shout the Tale
Will You Never Shout? And When You've Taken Down Your Guard... If I Could Change Your Mind, I'd Really Love to Break Your Heart! Come On Let Me Shout Shout Let Me, Come On Let Me Shout Shout!
IDK, as a native New Yorker and someone who vividly remembers 9/11, as well as being a reasonable person.... I think those things matter a lot in this discussion... Which is a way of me saying, "LISTEN UP!" I know what I'm talking about, based on fact as well as emotion. First hand.
1) It is NOT the '9/11 mosque'. That is incorrect, and it is inflammatory. It is a muslim cultural center, for the Sufi sect, which is the more liberal, open minded branch of Islam..something that needs to be supported and facilitated. it is mostly a social and cultural place, with a small space for prayer. But, it is NOT a mosque (not that's a bad thing, mind you, but just to clarify).
2) It is NOT at the 9/11 site...I have been to both, recently, and I can tell you, it is in no way either a homage to the terrorist acts, nor a disrespect of the victims. It is not that close, either....New York City is a big place, and even a 'few blocks' means a lot.
3) It is in accord with all NYC zoning regulations.
4) It is within the First Amendment rights of the US Constitution.
5) There is already one 'true' mosque much closer to Ground Zero, built long before the attacks, without any incident.
6) There was an Islamic place of worship within the Twin Towers.
7) As an FYI, I am NOT a muslim, and our family knew people who perished that tragic day.
New York City is a huge, diverse place, there are eight million of us living in relative peace and harmony (you rarely hear of any social problems here, now do you?). We all wish the rest of you with your own agenda (based largely on misinformation and small mindedness) would really shut up already.
This is not directed to anyone here, of course, but this topic can easily become out of hand based more on raw emotion than fact. And, as I like to say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts and reality. I'd invite anyone to come to my NYC and see how we work all this stuff out and coexist quite successfully.
A sign of defeat to al Queda would be the compromising of American values. What separates our country from theirs is not simply tolerance, but our ability to differentiate between actions and affiliations.
We were wronged on September 11th. Not by Muslims, but by terrorists. By people who inked their views in American blood, and used American soil as their paper. And so we went east to them so the fight would never came back to us.
Our fight has always been against al Qaeda, who are Muslim extremists, and that last word makes a World of difference. Because we in America have religious extremists who terrorize under the name of the cross. There's the KKK, the Westburo Baptist Church; both of these are groups who justify their actions and hatred under the guise of 'true Christians.'
And yet, never was there a protest where a church was built. Where a sermon was spoken, or a baptism given. Because people can distinguish between the ideals of hateful individuals and that of a generally peaceful religion.
If we're to continue calling ourselves tolerant- fuck, Americans, then we need to build the damn Mosque and show that our hate is toward those who hurt and endanger our people, not to those who are associated solely by the book they preach out of.
Generally speaking we look back on internment camps as un-American to Japanese citizens because we didn't have the right to imprison or persecute our own people because they looked similar to our enemy. Let's take a step forward.
It's not that people wouldn't care it just people wouldn't be swayed and wouldn't care if you cared about the issue. Using intellectual terms will give you a chance of persuasion, reliability and it will clearly state your opinion, by using such crude language people will most likely be amused, turn away, or wouldn't really care. You use such language to people that do not know you personally and people you know personally, but if you used such language to a complete stranger you just met you wouldn't use such language. By using terms like these first you have already lost your debate.
I honestly think that if America built the mosque we can prove that we are stronger and better than anyone else. It proves that nothing will stop us and we will always move forward. By building this mosque we can prove to others that we can face these challenges head on. We are pretty much giving terrorist the 'finger'.
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"I will burn my dread I once ran away from the god of fear And he chained me to despair I'll break the chain And run till I see the sunlight again"
You know Kyrie, it's not about the 'terrorists', it's about us. It's about standing up for what you believe, what it means to be an American. The fact that it 'helps' another is a good thing, but it's also very self serving and self satisfying: It reinforces our humanity and our shared values as Americans and as humans. We're all so wrapped up in 'revenge', we fail to recognize what would be most effective here.
There'a place for outrage but in order for that outrage to be effective, it needs to be directed at the true proper source of the emotion, not people who are innocent. They, like the people who just went to work on 9/11, are just victims of others bad judgement. When we fail to see that, we become them.
We can only win with our ideals and our behaviors.
I'll curse if I damn well like it, don't tell me what to do.
I hate using logical terms, it's a farce to make people seem smarter than they really are - I speak bluntly and honestly. Really? Because I speak like that all the damn time and people seem to care about what I say quite often. It's the way I speak, it's the way I'll always speak and there is no changing it. Doesn't make me any less logical because I choose to speak this way. It's much for fun than spending my time trying to convince myself that I'm above others based purely on the way I speak.
Yes, that's the issue. The issue of if it should be built or not. Also I did state so in my last part. That it would be bad in the public eye for it to be built.
If the occasions can be counted in the single-digits, that's not quite often.
The quality of someone's rhetoric determines the fluidity and clearness of their point. Ergo, yes it does.
Because Americans never sway to those they find more charismatic. Aw shucks no.
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