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Old 08-09-11, 10:29 AM   #1
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Challenge 1

-"The statement 'all crows are black,' is logically equivalent to the statement 'all non-black things are non-crows' {i.e.} both statements say precisely the same thing, albeit in different ways.
-Thus, every confirming instance of 'all non-black things are non-crows must also count as a confirming instance of 'all crows are black.'"[1]
-If we apply this to God, anything that does not exist and is not God confirms the statement 'God exists.'
-Therefore everything that does not exist is evidence for the existence of God.


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-Consider the idea of a being than which no greater can be conceived (i.e. a perfect being; God).
-If this being does not exist, then a greater being - that is, a being than which no greater can be conceived and that exists - can be conceived.
-However, this would be absurd: nothing can be greater than a being than which no greater can be conceived.
-Therefore a being than which no greater can be conceived exists; God exists.[2]


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[1]This Book Does Not Exist: Adventures in the Paradoxical, Gary Hayden, 2009
[2]http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/ {-->September 2011}




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Old 08-09-11, 01:52 PM   #2
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I'm terrible at logic as I struggle to get my head round it a lot of the time. I find the subject very interesting but because of my course don't have much time to study it.

However, challenge 1 (because I do remember reading about the crow thing):

Every none black thing is a confirming instance of the statement "all crows are black." I agree with how that logic works. So if you find a green apple, it's a confirming instance of "all crows are black." However, a green apple would also be a confirming instance of the statement "all crows are white" and "all crows are red."

So therefore everything that doesn't exist would also be a confirming statement of "unicorns exist" or "Pigs with wings exist".

My head hurts just trying with that one though so I'll leave challenge 2 to to somebody else.


As an aside I'm agnostic and am somewhat unsure if I believe God exists or not, I just don't think that "challenge 1" provides very strong evidence.
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Old 08-09-11, 03:43 PM   #3
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Okay. I don't understand any of this
What exactly is it?










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Old 08-09-11, 03:53 PM   #4
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2. But whether that thing that cannot be more perfect that exists is an omni-God or merely our own personal 'God' is debatable.
As for 1. I can't quite think at the moment haha. Ridiculous argument though. Something about there are also black non-crows. Am I along the right lines there?
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Old 08-09-11, 03:58 PM   #5
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Albino crows exist. Just saying
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Old 08-09-11, 06:29 PM   #6
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Albino crows exist. Just saying
Okay, so you don't get it.

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Old 08-09-11, 07:05 PM   #7
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Okay, so you don't get it.

Logic conquers
I do get it, I was just messing around :p
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suuuure
I don't see what's not to get. It's fairly simple. Takes a bit of thinking, but it's understandable. I don't fully agree with it though,
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Old 08-09-11, 07:25 PM   #10
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I agree with it, because both statements are true. But there is a counterpoint to every argument which is why you can't totally be accepting of this argument










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