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Caer · 31-10-11, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Runnadoll

But people never look at it in the other light, what if someone from your family killed someone? And what if the person was actually innocent and it was just one of those situations where you are at the wrong place at the wrong time? And with the second degree murder thing, I really disagree with that. I mean, with that, they aren't intending on killing this person. I don't know, something about that just doesn't even sound fair to me.

I'm the wrong person to ask that question to. I'm able to look at things in black and white and rationalize and compartmentalize everything.
If my family member killed someone my response would be no different.

Also, second degree murder IS intentionally killing someone, it's just not pre-meditated.

The columbine shooting?
First degree murder because they planned it for weeks or months beforehand.
A home invasion gone badly where they use whatever means are at their disposal because they were walked in on in the middle of it?
Second degree.
They didn't go there planning to murder the house's occupants, but they DID intentionally kill them to try to avoid being caught.

Runnadoll · 31-10-11, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenxBeauty

I'm the wrong person to ask that question to. I'm able to look at things in black and white and rationalize and compartmentalize everything.
If my family member killed someone my response would be no different.

Also, second degree murder IS intentionally killing someone, it's just not pre-meditated.

The columbine shooting?
First degree murder because they planned it for weeks or months beforehand.
A home invasion gone badly where they use whatever means are at their disposal because they were walked in on in the middle of it?
Second degree.
They didn't go there planning to murder the house's occupants, but they DID intentionally kill them to try to avoid being caught.

lol my bad. i really thought it was when you killed someone, but not intentionally or something like that.

Jam · 01-11-11, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenxBeauty

If you're a criminal in jail, IMO, you are not innocent in any way shape or form. Morally acceptable? No. But in this day and age, What is?
Anything that anybody ever does is going to step on SOMEBODY'S toes due to moral or political/religious reasons.

The way I see it, If Canada(or whatever country) were to crack down on things like murder by handing out harsh, irreversible punishments; how many people do you think would think twice before joining violent gangs?
How many kids do you think twice before bringing a gun to school?
The list goes on.

I never said it was moral, I know it isn't. However I can tell you for a fact that if a member of my family was murdered, the person who murdered them would NOT have the luxury of continuing to live their own life, in or out of jail.

I see, I see. Thanks for clearing that up, I get you now

I disagree with you about us basically being unable to meet what morality requires, but I think that's probably just due to our different understandings of morality.

Wrt your point about cracking down with harsh and irreversible punishments, I just wanna point out that the death penalty effectively fails as a deterrent and is actually thought to increase the amount of violent crimes. If you skip back a couple of pages I mentioned this in my long post; you can check the sources if you're interested (:

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Originally Posted by 24_Nathan

I totally agree with capital punishment.

I just think of it as a type of defense. If somebody walks up to you and your family, and starts attacking them, what are you going to do? Well, some people would run off screaming - and others would try beating the shit out of the attacker. There's nothing wrong with physically defending yourself or others.

Kind of hard to explain what I'm trying to say. I apologize for any confusion trying to understand me. xP

I agree with you about the self-defence issue. But that is not capital punishment; that is self defence. In England (and, I think, most/some US states) the law provides an individual the authority to use "equal and appropriate" (or something like that) force in self-defence. So, you are legally justified in stabbing someone if you can show beyond reasonable doubt that they were going to stab you if you didn't get them first.