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Not trying to get involved or anything; I'm more interested in reading these. But @Novanter, I think Dustin was saying that the use of a ',' instead of a '.' is lame. Honestly, I myself have never understood why people would use a comma instead.
Your 'culture' reasoning behind your backlash doesn't really apply either; since it isn't your work. It isn't even a piece of work actually.
Anyway, backing out now. And I'm not attacking anyone here.
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For the record, I don't believe that homosexuality is wrong. Just wanna say that before I start because I expect to get called homophobic otherwise...
Firstly, congratulations for missing Dustin's point. He specifically stated that the argument wasn't that homosexuality doesn't occur in nature. In what way is this a refutation of his point, then?
Secondly, citations please! As I understand it, homosexual behaviour is exhibited in many animal populations, yes... but can you find me a single example of an animal of one sex refusing to mate with any of the other sex but accepting those of the same sex in an animal population consisting of both sexes? This is what we need to find in order demonstrate to show that homosexuality exists in nature and, as far as I am aware, such an animal or animal population has yet to be found. Bisexualityin animals has been accepted for years, and we aren't here to discuss that.
I'd also like to know how you tested the hypothesis of the existence of homophobia in animals.
Have you read my next post? If so, why didn't you quote that as well? I don't think I need to correct myself for the second time.
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Apologies, but I fail to see the relevance. Sexually active homosexuals are, on average, more likely to develop HIV than sexually active heterosexuals, yes? And this is an effect on society, yes? What, then, is the issue? No-one ever said "you're gonna get HIV cuz you're homosexual" or "all homosexuals get HIV".
As a gay one, I count these as attacks to me as well, it's down to my own personality, I know, that's why I reply not in general in these comments. Noone likes to be attacked, noone likes to be discriminated. And noone like to be average.
I didn't even say the opposite of that not even for a moment. (that relevance at homosexuals is lower)
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Also, while I don't think Dustin was necessarily right to say that part of your post was lame, it obviously was not a personal attack. Criticising someone is completely different to criticising what that person says. That isn't culturally relative; that is a logical fact. You can associate the two if you wish, but the only purpose it serves is (quite ironically, perhaps) directing the debate towards personal attacks and away from the topic.
I won't explain (in long) why is that a tradition here - just that: Communism made it - if you work was shit = you were shit. Simply, that's remained, even if we are democratic for 22 years now.
I know that so right, it's not the right way of thinking, but as a Hungarian it was the first thing I assosiated to, and I can't help it.
I don't see the point why would people use a '.' instead of a comma. It seems unnatural to me. (same point as you)
And I believe, every formed word, every said word is kind of work. Not big, but still. It's something you won't understand, because you aren't (probably) from the least developed European states.
I don't see the point why would people use a '.' instead of a comma. It seems unnatural to me. (same point as you)
And I believe, every formed word, every said word is kind of work. Not big, but still. It's something you won't understand, because you aren't (probably) from the least developed European states.
Where I'm from is not relevant to what is considered somebody's work.
Anyway, I'll back out now until I feel I need to involve myself again.
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Have you read my next post? If so, why didn't you quote that as well? I don't think I need to correct myself for the second time.
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Oh sorry, it's PROVEN in only one. Better? But it's still unnatural.
I read it, but disregarded it. My apologies for not explaining why.
How does the fact that homophobia has only been proven in one species mean that it is unnatural? It is untested in others: you simply don't know if it is "unnatural" or not.
Regardless, the point is moot. Whether or not something is natural is irrelevant to whether or not it is right, as I'm sure we can agree.
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As a gay one, I count these as attacks to me as well, it's down to my own personality, I know, that's why I reply not in general in these comments. Noone likes to be attacked, noone likes to be discriminated. And noone like to be average.
I didn't even say the opposite of that not even for a moment. (that relevance at homosexuals is lower)
What "attacks"?
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Originally Posted by Novanter
I won't explain (in long) why is that a tradition here - just that: Communism made it - if you work was shit = you were shit. Simply, that's remained, even if we are democratic for 22 years now.
I know that so right, it's not the right way of thinking, but as a Hungarian it was the first thing I assosiated to, and I can't help it.
In honesty, I think I acted harshly, and so I apologise. Obviously there is no point entering a debate if we get offended when people criticise what we say, but that isn't exactly the scenario we have here. It was unclear what Dustin was referring to as "lame", so I'll drop it. I can understand how it could have been seen as a "personal attack", but I am unconvinced that that was Dustin's intention.
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I believe this homophobia thing is all sick. People made it up, the media helped on it. But this is my own opinion, and I don't want to debate on it.
Attacks was referred to the stereotypes - the HIV/AIDS rates. ~ I took it as an attack because I'm different from THAT stereotype. Simply. It's my fault.
This 'lame' thing is totally off-topic (I said it before in my post with the quote with picture) - and I know that it wasn't a personal attack now, but then my first reaction wasn't that ~ I explained before, and it's off-topic, so never again.
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I don't understand how facts could be taken as personal attacks:
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Straight men and women make up 90 percent of the population, but they account for only 15 percent of non-childhood AIDS cases. Only 6 percent of men with AIDS, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says, contracted the virus from straight sex. And even that figure doesn't hold up to a closer look. Several studies now suggest that most men who claim they got the virus this way are lying. They got it from sex with other men or sharing needles with addicts.
Now personally, I embrace homosexuality. It's had a wonder effect on our society. Now, of course it took a while to get started (ie 1970's) but for the most part people are pretty tolerant and accepting of homosexuality. Homosexuality has brought alot of culture and art to places where there generally is none. Atleast in my area, they also bring in lots of money. There is an area in my city where a large percentage of people are gay. They host annual art festivals, concerts, ect. The neighborhood is also extremely safe and extremely wealthy. Gay people, as you know, cannot biologically have children. If they chose not to adopt or by any means raise a child, then they have more money to spend on themselves, and thus the local economy responds positively.
Don't take the whole "gay people can't have children" as an attack against homosexuality. There is no evidence that states that homosexual couples fail at raising children due to lack of male/female role models, ect. If anything there is evidence quite the contrary
I personally believe homosexuality has NO EFFECT on society. It's quite simple you are either turned on by the opposite sex, or you're not. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about it. I mean whether or not someone is born gay or brought up that way really does not make a difference. Do we really know whether someone is born straight or brought up that way? Does it really make a difference either way? I think the real reason people are not for gay marriage or gay rights is because people are just too afraid to admit that they are uncomfortable with being around it. And the only thing I have to say to that is get over it.
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