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Old 10-12-11, 07:11 AM   #11
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Default Re: Nature vs. Nurture

I've heard this debate 101 times but never before got involved, is it basically genes (nature) vs. environment (nature)? If so, then I think 50/50 is a massive exaggeration in favour of nature... it seems to be that, with respect to basically every behaviour, environment is far more important than our genes or what is hard-wired into us.
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I myself am a believer that nurture has the larger role in creating who we are, as people. The enviroment around us influences everything: The way we think, the way we express, the way we feel. While nature determines only our race: Human.
But humans, as we know, are mirrors of what sorrounds them. Take wild children, are they people? No, but they're humans. They weren't nurtured to become people, and so they became "incomplete".

So, I conclude that nurture is the larger factor here.
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Many properties have been suggested as being necessary for being a person: Intelligence, the capacity to speak a language, creativity, the ability to make moral judgments, consciousness, free will, a soul, self-awareness . . and the list could go on almost indefinitely.
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Oh great, this again. It is impossible to accurately test which is more important, due to this I refrain judgement on which is more important. With any experiments, such as those of twins, there are too many extraneous variables to consider any result to be a reliable one.
@Poontang great point and I couldn't agree more. I will just add that there is another "study" that I go by and it's the "eye test". Watch sports and siblings, especially twins, and you can just see that it's not JUST nature or JUST nurture. I mean some runners can win races with very little training bc the are naturally incluned to be athletic and be a runner. And siblings/twins can turn out very differently. Like you said wayyyy to many variables to measure though to be reliably accurate.

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Well... Think of all the "wild child" incidents in which they were locked in rooms etc, kept away from society.

They always turn out animal-like and non-human like. So, I'm sure it's not 50/50.
@Carbohydrate. You're right, it's likely not 50/50 precisely since the odds on that would be less than winning the lottery. Also i gather that you don't think it's even close to 50/50. Well idk. I bet you are right that it leans more to nurture. But your example was very extreme talking about wild children raised by non humans. Ususally when people talk about nature vs. nurture it's about sexuality choices, personality, intelligence, athletic ability, occupational choices, etc. In those less extreme settings I think it also comes down to the will of the individual as much as nature and nurturing. Most humans are weak willed bc we are so self conscious and care what others think bc we are mostly followers. Obv a baby raised by monkees would turn out to be wild. He would have NO other examples to live. A baby has ZERO self will. He is just a sponge. But that child will likely be less strong than the monkees and more intelligent than them bc of his nature.
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