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Old 02-01-12, 06:44 AM   #1
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Should we, the members of the civilised West, tolerate the gruesome and vile practices of Middle Eastern and Islamic cultures?

Like it or not, the extremist Muslims (of which there are many) are like the Christians of the 14th Century - Brutish, Uncivilised and with an awful sense of humour.

68% of BRITISH Muslims said that people who insult Islam and Muhammad should be put to death. Does this not demonstrate that even in Western societies, we have extremists who are so disconnected from reality?

Islam is not a religion of peace. The Koran does contain promises of paradise and hadiths in praise of martyrdom. These can be plainly interpreted, just as they are by Al-Qaeda and moderate Muslims do not speak out against this.

The problem is not fundamentalist Muslims, it is the fundamentals of Islam. For a religion to think they can issue a fatwa (death sentence) on somebody for insulting their faith just shows that they have no idea of what constitutes a civil society.

tl;dr Should we let Islam continue it's atrocities simply because we're afraid of them?
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Old 02-01-12, 06:58 AM   #2
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Islam is a peaceful religion but those people who go into the Qur'an to deep are the people who are doing bad things to the west ad their own countries. I'm not a Muslim I'm a Christian(barely) but I had a friend who was and she would be sooo ashamed of this thing and they go through a lot already(We look at them wrong sometimes but most of them follow the peaceful part of the religion, well where I live). But I believe I have no answer at this time for your question.
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Islam is a peaceful religion but those people who go into the Qur'an to deep are the people who are doing bad things to the west ad their own countries. I'm not a Muslim I'm a Christian(barely) but I had a friend who was and she would be sooo ashamed of this thing and they go through a lot already(We look at them wrong sometimes but most of them follow the peaceful part of the religion, well where I live). But I believe I have no answer at this time for your question.
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Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace

1. 2,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last seven years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

2. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

3. Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

4. After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.
Muhammad's favorite daughter, Fatima, and her husband, Ali (the second convert to Islam, who was raised like a son to Muhammad) fought a war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was the "perfect woman."
Not only was her husband, Ali, eventually murdered, but Fatima (who survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound) died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only three months after her father died.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by the son of the first. The fourth caliph was killed by the fifth, who subsequently poisoned one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. Muhammad's other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
Even these high profile killings barely do justice to the astonishing level of violence taking place at the time, in which tens of thousands of believers were slaughtered by companions and their children in the infighting and power struggles. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war.
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam! #

5. Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.

6. Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

7. Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

8. Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

9. The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times. #10. "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" (The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
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As long as muslims follow the law I don't see what the issue is.
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The Qur'an teaches peaceful things but there are those people (the fucking idiots) who come and get sooo into the fucking religion that they start reading shit that isn't there. I shouldn't get into an argument about this since 911(which is a day that brings back a bunch of memories) so i'm going to stop replying but they are a bunch that are peaceful and they get mistreated because of stereo types. I will give you a no as an answer.

I'm sorry, hope that this those not affect the away you think of me. It's just that I hated the way some people treated my friend(She had to move to Pakistan)
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Although I don't agree with this, it doesn't really matter; Islam isn't going anywhere









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The religion itself should be tolerated but anything that goes against the law should obviously be stopped. Not all of them are extremists...although a fair few are.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a woman that they wanted to kill for calling a teddy bear Mohammed? That crap needs to stop.
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Should we, the members of the civilised West, tolerate the gruesome and vile practices of Middle Eastern and Islamic cultures?

Like it or not, the extremist Muslims (of which there are many) are like the Christians of the 14th Century - Brutish, Uncivilised and with an awful sense of humour.

68% of BRITISH Muslims said that people who insult Islam and Muhammad should be put to death. Does this not demonstrate that even in Western societies, we have extremists who are so disconnected from reality?

Islam is not a religion of peace. The Koran does contain promises of paradise and hadiths in praise of martyrdom. These can be plainly interpreted, just as they are by Al-Qaeda and moderate Muslims do not speak out against this.

The problem is not fundamentalist Muslims, it is the fundamentals of Islam. For a religion to think they can issue a fatwa (death sentence) on somebody for insulting their faith just shows that they have no idea of what constitutes a civil society.

tl;dr Should we let Islam continue it's atrocities simply because we're afraid of them?
9/11 was done in the name of Islam whether they read the Qur'an wrong or not; of course people will hate Islam for it, whether it's right or wrong to do so.

I think it's ok to believe whatever you want, and if you follow Islam then you follow Islam and you shouldn't be judged for doing so.

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I really do hope this thread is aimed at more extremist muslims as everyone knows on here that my family are muslims, my mum wears a headscarf and so do my aunties. I wasn't really killed for leaving the religion just called a disgrace since Islam has been in my family life for a very long time. The other thing I wanted to mention was that I've read.. 12 chapters of the Quran when I was being forced into the religion as a child. I have to say that from what I've read the religion itself DOES enforce peace and I do agree with a few of the things you have said Josh
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3. Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger."
because that is what I read in the Quran about there being one god and Muhammad being his messenger.

At the same time though I disagree with a few things you've said
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2,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last seven years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

2. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad
It is considered a sin to not believe in Islam but there are still exceptions such as men being able to marry a Christian woman which proves that in the 21st century just because someone isn't a muslim they won't be killed but whatever religion they are will be tolerated. If it wasn't then all the damn muslim population might aswell be terrorists. Also using the fact terrorists are around to justify what you say about Islam is wrong as terrorists = extremists = dickheads who fall too deeply into the religion and think anything else people believe in other than Islam is a sin. Oh and you're forgetting that some terrorists from the middle eastern countries don't just fight for Islam they have other motives, that moves your 2000 attacks in the name of Islam down.

Last but not least, I don't believe in any religion but I don't think because of some fucktards who like to kill people should make a religion look bad, it's the same with Christian extremists who like to burn Qurans and stuff. The point I'm trying to make is we should appreciate the muslims who do accept others and try not use people we know are bad for the religion as a reason to not tolerate it.
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It's not the same with Christian extremists.

We have hardly any Christian extremists in the civilised world, but a superfluity of Muslim extremists.

Saying the religion itself should be tolerated is thereby tolerating the Extremists, as the extremists are not misconstruing the scripture.
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