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Old 08-06-12, 04:42 AM   #1
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Default Everything should be done locally

Especially farming, food, meat, vegetables, cereals, bread, etc.

Instead of huge corporations doing it massively elsewhere and transporting it to the end customer.

This would mean that gas and transportation prices would be minimal and cost wouldn't rise immensely when gas prices rise, making for much more stable prices.

Things would be done in a smaller scale to fit only the population's need of that location and that location only, thus requiring less space and less waste, would also open job positions locally.

In case of natural disaster the chances of still having food supplies would be higher as it isn't all coming from somewhere 1000 miles way.

People would have to eat mainly things that local resources allow.

The ideal I'm after is having self sufficient communities.


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Old 08-06-12, 05:20 AM   #2
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It seems to me to be the ideal (even if not perfect) market economy system. The problem is its setbacks prevent it from actually working. Not all habited land can be self sufficient (for example a town on the Asian steppes), and would rely on neighbouring provinces to make up what they lack, this would lead the neighbouring province to feel like the first town owes them, and what can the first town provide back to pay its debt? If nothing, then either the town starves, or depends on the current economy system.

I'm not sure if my explanation made sense, but that is the problem with the system you propose. Not only this, but the richest provinces would make up what other provinces lack, and the more they do it, the more influential and powerful they become, they build monopolies and we're back where we were at the start. Market decentralization is almost impossible nowadays, expecially in the globalized world we now live in.
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Old 08-06-12, 08:23 AM   #3
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That's true, but if a place is hostile and lacks resources, people just have to move, it's why we don't inhabit the moon or even mars, we would if there was an easy and fast way to get food there...
Local fauna and flora would have a chance to repopulate too, generally hostile places have very rare species, endangered by humans.








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I can't wait till I have my own house and family for this reason.
Id LOVE to be able to have my own family farm for meat cows and eggs and stuff. Idk about milk because that's like, very demanding but Id deff buy it form local farmers. Yeah Ill still go to restaurants and crap but Id love to become way more self producing and natural.
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Wanna move in with me? I have a wind turbine disassembled in the shed, free 400Watts(when it's windy, lol)
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Default Re: Everything should be done locally

Hey if that's what YOU want, then by all means, go for it, start a commune.

Others may like what is produced by big corporations and personally I don't want to rely on a community for food and other things. It's a choice, that's all, don't like it, don't partake in it but I personally like buying things from big corporations.

I mean, why should I be forced to be restricted to things only local places have? That's telling me what I can and cannot eat all because I happen to be a part of the community.

That being said, I have no interest in community anyway. Corporations get big because they know how to manage a business, there's more competition out there, things like that. With local places and being restricted to them, they can pretty much charge you an arm and a leg for food or whatever else because you can't run off and get the product from somewhere else. Competition drives prices down, in a community where everyone relies on just the community, the competition would be minimal because you're not competing with outside forces.

In other words, relying on just a local community would became stale, flat, and unproductive.

However, it also depends on how big or small the community is. What you've described could probably work in a small, small, community, but not a larger one.

That being said, if I were facing that level of restriction, I'd much rather by self-reliant than rely on the surrounding community for what I want and need. Or rather, a self-sufficient community is what I would not like to be part of. I mean, "to fit the populations need"? What about wants? What's the point of needing without having wants satisfied as well? Seems like an empty, meaningless, existence based purely on survival for each day. What's the point in that?

And why only eat things restaurants allow? Again, that's pretty much telling people what they can and cannot eat.

With that, the eventual outcome would be everyone with the food would hold power over everyone else. Because, hell, no one can really challenge them since they have all the food, they can't go somewhere else for food, what's to stop the people with all the food from becoming dictatorial over the community? The goodness of their hearts? In what you're describing food would pretty much be the biggest influence in the community. Meaning everyone with food would hold the most power. Sure, you could go out and buy food, but what's to stop them from restricting your portions?

Basically, what I'm saying is absolute power corrupts absolutely, and those who produce all the food would have all the power in the community.

Now, if EVERYONE in the community produced food, this could be avoided. But if that were to happen then, well, there would basically be no jobs because everyone would be relying on and living for themselves - so what's the point of income when you can just produce everything yourself, by yourself or with your family? But that wouldn't be a self-sufficient community, that would be every individual relying on themselves.


All in all, what I'm saying is that your idea, while idealistic, isn't really realistic due to a little thing called human nature.

Rather it would far more preferable and realistic to have both options, would it not? That way you can choose what you want to do with your life, and I with mine, there would be more wide-spread competition and therefore more advancements and more choices in products, but there's still the option of buying locally grown produce and other food as well.

Also, think about something else for a minute here, growing food. Some places really can't grow food, either because of the soil, weather, or for any number or reasons. So, basically they couldn't grow food there so then what? They just starve? No, they'd have to get food from somewhere else.

Also, having both options would be better because it gives people more freedom to pursue other interests that are outside the interests of the community.

Basically I'm saying it wouldn't be all sunshine and roses the way you describe things. Once upon a time people used to live in communities like that, some places still do, compare and contrast. Wide spread competition leads to advancement, small communities who rely on just themselves become stale and do not advance because there's nothing new to add to the mix.

But hey, that's exactly why if someone wants to live the way you want, then go right on ahead. But me, and other people, shouldn't really be forced to, which is the biggest issue I have with this. As I said though, in a very small community, your idea could work, but personally I'm not that trusting of people esp. when it comes to food.

EDIT: To clarify, it's not a matter of should, it's a matter of choice. I'm all for total segregation based on how people choose to live, so by all means go right on ahead. Should implies forcing people to do things a certain way, which is what I don't like. Personally, i would totally loathe what you described and as such I should not be subjected to it, right? Right.









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^ How do you think we got to where we are? everything used to be in small scale, the minute they started mass producing the air quality degraded, the economy then grew a lot, and years later(now) due to the capitalist mind the same thing made the economy turned to shit.

Believe it or not you are forced to do certain things, I can't decide to have the right to fly and grow some wings for example, resources end, but everyone treats them like it's all infinite, when it gets really bad people will realise it, but for now they can keep going like it's all fine, who knows, maybe it won't completely fall apart in 10 or 20 years.

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International trade would go down the toilet, causing an economical meltdown. Countries with necessities like oil would become technological monopolies. Countries would have no need to be civil with each other and war would probably break out.

Sounds good on paper, though.
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I'm not like huge tree hugger type. (no offense to anyone) and I hate the wind turbines here because they put them EVERYWHERE. Like in any direction on my side of the state you see them, it's ruined any natural views which is why i hate it. These are the HUGE ones, and at night they light up red so it just ruins the whole living out here for the peace and beauty.








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