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Old 17-06-12, 08:50 PM   #11
 
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I'd like to believe there is some sort of force or being that created us. Maybe he/she/it gave us the ability to evolve?
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Old 17-06-12, 10:25 PM   #12
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Evolution quite comfortably suits many people who belong to the Christian, Catholic and Islamic faiths. It just as easily totally contradicts what some people of faith believe too. I honestly believe that more religious people would be accepting of evolution as fact (or as close to fact as anything can be) if there weren't so many misconceptions about it floating around the religious field. Many misconceptions come from a poor understanding or poor explanation of evolution (and the same could be said for theories such as the big bang).

So I don't necessarily think evolution verses religion is an accurate description. They aren't mutually exclusive. The problem I have with religion is that those (not all) who practice a life guided literally by the rules in their holy book tend to fight to hinder moral progress (for others) and scientific knowledge of how we came to be.








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I think a lot of atheists or whatever are just as close minded to thinking we're all close minded
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Evolution through natural selection is one of the unequivocal facts about the Universe. There are basically two groups of people, those who accept science and those who deny it. I've never heard an informed argument against evolution that did anything except attack strawmen from faulty premises.

It's very unfortunate that most people have this idea of evolution as being just another belief or religion that they've decided just isn't for them. Empirical facts are not "beliefs."
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Evolution through natural selection is one of the unequivocal facts about the Universe.
This too. Evolution through natural selection itself is almost necessarily true: for any population with heriditary traits, it is inevitable that those with traits that better help them to survive will be more likely to survive and thus pass on those traits. Put that same population in a pressurised environment, and of course it will happen to a more significant degree. This is the basic principle of evolution.

Having said that, we should be careful not to conflate the idea of evolution itself with the any hypothesised (or, indeed, well-evidenced) idea of the evolutionary history of any given species or life itself. Many Christians believe that evolution happens, but simply disagree that it has happened to the degree - or in the "direction" - that the evidence would currently appear to suggest. I have yet to see a discussion on evolution where at least one party has not conflated these two concepts, and this is a pretty gross error to make.



EDIT: I realise I said I tend to stay away from evolution threads, but have still managed to post in this thread three times in about twelve hours! Oops
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It's sort of hypocritical to say that Christians are close minded.
The blanket statement, in any argument just doesn't work.

I guess I believe in evolution, but I believe that some greater power gave us the ability to evolve. It just makes more sense to me, that way.









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Evolution through natural selection is one of the unequivocal facts about the Universe. There are basically two groups of people, those who accept science and those who deny it. I've never heard an informed argument against evolution that did anything except attack strawmen from faulty premises.

It's very unfortunate that most people have this idea of evolution as being just another belief or religion that they've decided just isn't for them. Empirical facts are not "beliefs."
^ This pretty much sums up my opinion on it.
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Default Re: Evolution vs. Religion

Obviously evolution is real some choose not to believe in it and that's their decision no matter how ludicrous it is, but i have to disagree with you on one particular point, we evolved because we needed to, we were in an environment that justified it, though natural selection is still going on for us and the apes the apes aren't necessarily evolving because they don't have a need to evolve.
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Unfortunately there are very closed minded Christians. But to say that all of them are is a bit of an exaggeration Perhaps only the ones you have met are that way.

Plus Facebook isn't the best place to have a debate and most people say and talk in a way on there that is not very....hmmm....mature?

In other words they tend to not take things seriously.
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the apes aren't necessarily evolving because they don't have a need to evolve.

You need to read a science book and read about how evolution works.

Evolution doesn't happen through desire. They're random mutations, and if the mutation favors survival then it is magnified through thousands of generations of reproduction as those without the mutation die out because they are not as fit to survive.

And @DeepDistress I totally agree. Closed mindedness isn't a matter of religious people vs. atheists. There are dumb atheists and dumb christians.

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