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Ah - but that is a completely different argument there.
OK fine, a single cell organism morphed into a chicken - chicken had an egg - egg hatched and became a chicken - so on and so-forth. :secret_smile:
The same argument can be said with humans:
Which came first: The Child or the Adult?
Can't get an Adult without a Child. Can't get a child without an Adult (well, two of them).
Also, think about it - eggs need warmth to survive, how could an egg survive without something watching over it? Same thing with a human child.
"The creator comes before the created."
Like... Which came first, Art or the Artist? The Poem or the Poet? Music or the Musician? ((This one is kinda if-y though if you believe all forms of sound are music))
You could also say, when dealing with forms of life:
"Which came first: The Protector or the Protected?"
In conclusion - The Chicken had to come first, so did a Rooster because how would the egg get fertilized without a chicken or a rooster? The egg would be to vulnerable without something watching over it, so if the egg came first - chickens could have never existed! o.O
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Ah - but that is a completely different argument there.
OK fine, a single cell organism morphed into a chicken - chicken had an egg - egg hatched and became a chicken - so on and so-forth. :secret_smile:
The same argument can be said with humans:
Which came first: The Child or the Adult?
Can't get an Adult without a Child. Can't get a child without an Adult (well, two of them).
Also, think about it - eggs need warmth to survive, how could an egg survive without something watching over it? Same thing with a human child.
"The creator comes before the created."
Like... Which came first, Art or the Artist? The Poem or the Poet? Music or the Musician? ((This one is kinda if-y though if you believe all forms of sound are music))
You could also say, when dealing with forms of life:
"Which came first: The Protector or the Protected?"
In conclusion - The Chicken had to come first, so did a Rooster because how would the egg get fertilized without a chicken or a rooster? The egg would be to vulnerable without something watching over it, so if the egg came first - chickens could have never existed! o.O
Although they do say that Dinosaurs are more closely related to birds than to reptiles.
"Chickens evolved from non-chickens through small changes caused by the mixing of male and female DNA or by mutations to the DNA that produced the zygote. These changes and mutations only have an effect at the point where a new zygote is created. That is, two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. That one zygote cell divided to produce the first true chicken."
It fails to mention that evolution is a very slow, and I mean damn slow, process. So something chicken-like would have had to have come first to produce a chicken later on along the line.
OK, two non-chickens mate - you get a chicken? No. Over time chicken-like creatures mate and the mutation gradually takes from, slowly, very slowly. Eventually you get a chicken.
Chicken-like creatures were from non-chicken creatures as a result of a mutation but obviously the chicken had to come first.
Something to protect the egg had to come first and it was very close to the chicken because of the "Generation Gap" and all - things mutate over time, small small small differences are sometimes noticed in the generations. For all we know, the first chicken could have been twice as big as the chickens of today! Nevertheless, it was still a chicken - just a big chicken.
Like chihuahuas. They are actually bigger than most people realize, they real small ones are the "Mini Chihuahuas" - why are they smaller than the true (normal sized) chihuahuas? Mutations and the Generation Gap - I myself have never seen a normal sized chihuahua, but my sister saw a dog-show yesterday day so that's how I found out about it - And I'm a dog-fanatic! So that tells me that normal sized chihuahuas must be harder to find than the Mini ones. So the newer generation is of more abundance than the older generation -- like people!
So, it may not have been a TRUE chicken - but something with chicken-like DNA came first.
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Re: What came first, The chicken, or the egg?
dosent matter if thats how it went then the egg came first to create the chicken of today so techincally the post animal befor evolution came first the chicken egg came next
i think thats also what happend evolution took its toll on the animal befor
but i think its a mixed genetic dna
if you think about it birds that fly there bones are hollow the chicken bones arent so a bird that cant fly but has wings is a mix between a bird and a land animal
now finding out which land animal is a complete diffrent story
Inevitably the state of being whether before or after as devised by the question, "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?"
Comes down to a religious conviction.
Evolutionists will have to abide that while similar species of bird to the modern day chicken gave rise to chickens as we know them - are in fact still not chickens as we define by the question stated... they were however born from an egg that was laid by the final remnant of the pre-stages of bird that through interbreeding and gradual change for adaptation birthed their evolution as Chickens.
Which places the chicken starting from an egg.
However religious persons (most prominently Christians) believe that in the beginning God created all things in the span of 7 days. God will have devised the reproductive abilities for chickens (if in fact they existed at that time) and just as Adam was born whole and grown - as was Eve, and as was all things.
Thus the Chicken would have been a chicken, not an egg.
Further stipulation could be given to the amount of human manipulation has taken place amongst the species of bird we call chicken... which more than likely was NOT what they used to be but a somehow superior stage of chicken. This would give rise to the question, "What makes a chicken a chicken?"
This in mind, in some bizarre way... Chickens don't in fact exist until such a point they reach our table in the forms of extra-crispy, tender, and honey-BBQ...
As while alive - they have changed from their previous state as chicken and have reached a different level of physical being that while resembling the chicken is different.
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Re: What came first, The chicken, or the egg?
