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For the first part, this is part of my weird philosophy. One should not intervene with another's life unless is specifically is harming that of an intelligent human's life, which comes sometime short after birth. Killing a baby = wrong. However, it's not intelligent life, so...
For the second part, adoption becomes adoption. While carrying a child, a young teenage girl could ruin her future. College interviews, grades dropping, etc. can damage a girl's opportunity at college. Once the child is born, she may pursue adoption. One who would want to kill their newly born child would be willing to give it up for adoption, so they can take that route. After birth women feel more attached to their child usually, though, which is why if the woman wants to get rid of the baby the ideal time to do so is pre-birth.
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It just gets me so pissed off when someone thinks that their beliefs and values are so much more important than someone ells' beliefs and values that it shouldn't just influence, rather completely make one of the toughest and most life changing decisions in a single woman or couple's life. Why the fuck do people feel the need to be so selfish? Does it hurt you? No. Does it hurt intelligent life? No. You step on ants every day, that's a life, so should you not step on ants? Humanity does things far worse than abortion, we are destroying the environment of the world.
Is it so wrong for a person to advocate for the un-born child? I understand your issue with imposing personal beliefs and values on others - but quite frankly, others are not asking us to adopt their belief systems, their structures, or anything of that nature. At the crux of it all - they are asking that we all respect the sanctity of life - and the inherent right to life that we deny to many un-born children.
You have made the presumption that people who are staunchly against abortions are being selfish. How so? Is it not arguable that the woman seeking the abortion is being selfish? At some point in this thread you pointed out that a young woman's chances with college could be ruined; that her life could be ruined. Be that as it may - would she still not be being selfish to abort the child?
"Intelligent life". Now this is the part that scares me. This is entirely subjective and in no way a proper measurement. You draw into question the value of life in a way that becomes relative. Is someone who is in a coma; in a vegetable state, suffering from severe mental retardation, mental disorders, etc...These people are not able to process complex thought. They are able to breathe, and their body functions.. but mentally and physically? They are not able to sustain themselves without the support of others. Would we be better to euthanize?
I tend to fall more on the side of Pro-Life; but at I acknowledge the very rare and occasional situation in which Abortion may be justifiable. Do I believe we should make abortion illegal? No. But, I will continue to urge women/couples to lean on the side of life; rather than aborting.
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Also, there is a difference. The pre-birth child can ruin a woman' life. A post-birth child has already caused the pain. There is no reason for a woman to murder a post-birth child, there is cause for pre-birth. So, we have different opinions on this philosophical stuff. If you want to intervene in a decision that a woman has to make based on her philosophical values, then you're saying your values are more important. You think it's murder, another doesn't.
As I said earlier; it seems mighty selfish for a woman to get an abortion for these reasons. Almost as selfish as I am in saying, an abortion should be a very last resort - and not because college might not accept her.
We will always differ in our philosophy; we will always differ in our theology; that's what makes us human. The ability to reason and to think. I understand that this thread is in large part a rant; and as such a different context is given to it. But, here's the question I have. "You think its murder, another doesn't." So, how do we know who's right? Which is it? Is it murder or isn't it?
Because the answer to that question determines for us entirely if there is a right or wrong answer.
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- Washington Irving
I don't care if I'm butting into her life. One would butt into someone's life if they were trying to kill or abuse their child irl, would they not? It's saving a life whether you look at it that way or not, it's the destroying of a baby, and destroying means killing. So no different then if it was a irl child. So unless you're about to tell me to not interfere with someone about to kill their child irl, don't tell me it's none of my concern if i talk to them about not getting an abortion. Or should we not try and keep people from suicide because it's none of our concern or our life? of course not. You'd try to help someone and save that life because their judgment could be clouded. It's no difference, cept' it's a child who doesn't even get to decide for himself or not.
And Shonna, you on the other hand, You may not like how i talk about abortion, but you're not perfect when it comes to debates either. You cannot talk about any religious topic on here without saying the bible and God are stupid.
That's because that is my belief.I'm cool if other people wish to believe in it, but the moment they try to;
a. shove their beliefs down my throat
b.say something along the lines of "God created us whether you believe it or not/god gave us the ability to love/blah bah blah"
is where I draw the line.
If they feel that "god" gave THEM the ability to love?cool.
However, If I am not religious, If I do not believe in "god" and I am able to love and do all these things he apparently gave us the ability to do, it's stupid to tell me that it's because of some higher being. You can believe what you believe, I respect that. However you have respect that I think it's a load of crap because that is my belief and that is just what mature human beings do.
Unless your god didn't grant you the ability of being mature.
Well, my views on this are very relativist, much like in everything else. I do not believe in absolute morals, in what is "right" is absolute. What is right varies from person to person, and each person is entitled to their own opinion. After all, no one can formulate your own opinion but yourself, even if you choose not to reveal it.
My views on abortion are kind of cold. I'm pro-choice, and will probably always be pro-choice. I love to hear people's opinions on topics such as these, and I respect every opinion on there, even if I don't agree with it. Actually, I like people to disagree with me. It just shows how different we are from each other.
But there is something that will always bother me. When people tell you your views/beliefs are wrong, and less valid than theirs, because theirs is "right".
My own opinion is disturbing to a lot of people, expecially to pro-lifers and even some pro-choice. Although, they have no right to tell me I am wrong, just as much as I have no right to tell them they are wrong.
Each person believes what he/she believes, and they make their own choices. Each choice will have consequences, regardless of what it is, and each person must face the consequences of that choice. Even if you disagree with another person's choice, their life is their own, and their choices are their own. You are no saint, they are no saints. Everyone has made mistakes and everyone has done "wrong", as such, you have no right to judge them. Disagree with them, but respect their opinion/choice. Don't harass them or shove your beliefs against them.
Of course, this is just my view of things. I may be entirely "wrong" in everything I said.
"If I do good, people might accuse me of selfish, ulterior motives, but I will still do it. Because I believe no one is malicious, not in their core, in their raw being.
The best in them is clouded by sorrows and fears, take those away and you'll bring out the brightest of lights in them.
Because no one can be happy without being kind, without giving ourselves to another, and we all love to give ourselves, it is our true nature.
That is why, even if I might get disappointed, I'll always give the best I've got. A single candle can light a thousand others and still burn." - Skezra
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