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It just gets me so pissed off when someone thinks that their beliefs and values are so much more important than someone ells' beliefs and values that it shouldn't just influence, rather completely make one of the toughest and most life changing decisions in a single woman or couple's life. Why the fuck do people feel the need to be so selfish? Does it hurt you? No. Does it hurt intelligent life? No. You step on ants every day, that's a life, so should you not step on ants? Humanity does things far worse than abortion, we are destroying the environment of the world.
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Intentional is different then mistake. An ant's live isn't the same importance of a human's. though I don't agree with purposely killing ants regardless. so that makes your rant pretty pointless if it were to be a debate, not rant, by putting a child's life into the same category as an ant's..
Little white flowers will never awaken you, not when the cold depths have all but overtaken you.
Dearest, The days are all so long,
and in the shadows I spend them all.
My heart and I long for slumber.
Slumber I'm caressing you, I bless your touch, I lust for you.
Slumber you are not a dream, Not as much as you seem.
- Joao <3
What is the difference between a human that is not even born yet compared to a currently living ant? Both are not intelligent, and lack much memory, if any at all. They are essentially the same thing. Killing either is a wrong act, yes, but neither should be illegal, and one should have the option of abortion to get out of a heavy situation.
P.S. The main point of the post was the first sentence.
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Last edited by New Evolution; 29-10-11 at 07:15 PM..
Because a baby is far earlier a baby then some stupid book or person thinks, like all things it needs time and a safe place to grow, there for, being the woman's womb. It's idiotic to think that boom sperm then magically suddenly a baby, no the human body was created with reproducing in mind and it's a brilliant way to insure a healthy, safe place for the child to grow. A child has it's own finger prints that will never change for it's whole life by two months in the womb, it can feel sensitive touches to it's skin by two months, it can breathe, suck thumbs, cry, etc etc many months before birth actually happens, the only thing keeping it from breathing and crying is the water inside the womb, which again, very brilliant in having it as a safe place for the child and water works as airbags and hydration etc. To despite what a stupid book says, or some people like to believe, it's a child or baby far before birth.
Just because something is growing, doesn't mean it's not living.
Little white flowers will never awaken you, not when the cold depths have all but overtaken you.
Dearest, The days are all so long,
and in the shadows I spend them all.
My heart and I long for slumber.
Slumber I'm caressing you, I bless your touch, I lust for you.
Slumber you are not a dream, Not as much as you seem.
- Joao <3
I reemphasize the point that there is no reason that someone should intervene in a difficult and life changing decision that someone needs to make. This is a controversial topic, why should your moral values play a role is someone ells' decision?
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no offense Kate, but if you're against abortion, great.
Don't get one; stick to your beliefs.
If a woman chooses to get one for whatever reason, she is entitled to due so without harassment,shame or condescending lectures from people like you who don't agree with it.
It doesn't affect you, you have no right to tell us that our beliefs are wrong and before you jump down my throat; funnily enough I can have perfectly civil conversations and debates about abortion with my pro-life friends, but they are mature enough to respect that my beliefs differ from theirs, that my choices do not affect them, just as I am able to respect that they are pro-life and would never have an abortion but their choices don't affect me So i have no right to tell them that their beliefs are wrong.
I don't care if I'm butting into her life. One would butt into someone's life if they were trying to kill or abuse their child irl, would they not? It's saving a life whether you look at it that way or not, it's the destroying of a baby, and destroying means killing. So no different then if it was a irl child. So unless you're about to tell me to not interfere with someone about to kill their child irl, don't tell me it's none of my concern if i talk to them about not getting an abortion. Or should we not try and keep people from suicide because it's none of our concern or our life? of course not. You'd try to help someone and save that life because their judgment could be clouded. It's no difference, cept' it's a child who doesn't even get to decide for himself or not.
And Shonna, you on the other hand, You may not like how i talk about abortion, but you're not perfect when it comes to debates either. You cannot talk about any religious topic on here without saying the bible and God are stupid.
Little white flowers will never awaken you, not when the cold depths have all but overtaken you.
Dearest, The days are all so long,
and in the shadows I spend them all.
My heart and I long for slumber.
Slumber I'm caressing you, I bless your touch, I lust for you.
Slumber you are not a dream, Not as much as you seem.
- Joao <3
Last edited by DeepDistress; 29-10-11 at 08:12 PM..
I don't care if I'm butting into her life. One would butt into someone's life if they were trying to kill or abuse their child irl, would they not? It's saving a life whether you look at it that way or not, it's the destroying of a baby, and destroying means killing. So no different then if it was a irl child. So unless you're about to tell me to not interfere with someone about to kill their child irl, don't tell me it's none of my concern if i talk to them about not getting an abortion. Or should we not try and keep people from suicide because it's none of our concern or our life? of course not. You'd try to help someone and save that life because their judgment could be clouded. It's no difference, cept' it's a child who doesn't even get to decide for himself or not.
And Shonna, you on the other hand, You may not like how i talk about abortion, but you're not perfect when it comes to debates either. You cannot talk about any religious topic on here without saying the bible and God are stupid.
You missed my point about intelligent life. It's all about whether or not the life form in question can process complex thought, this comes after birth. And it's not immediate. I'm not about to go any further on this, you should get the point.
Also, there is a difference. The pre-birth child can ruin a woman' life. A post-birth child has already caused the pain. There is no reason for a woman to murder a post-birth child, there is cause for pre-birth. So, we have different opinions on this philosophical stuff. If you want to intervene in a decision that a woman has to make based on her philosophical values, then you're saying your values are more important. You think it's murder, another doesn't.
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So then about your intelligent life thing, if it's not immediate right after birth, same as while in womb, neither can have the complexity so neither should have the choice nor right in living? so then how is it any different for a woman to kill her child after birth then it is before? Sorry If i didn't grasp what your saying but it isn't making much sense to me, laugh all you will but it doesn't.
Also....the pain? so because she went through the pain of childbirth and carrying the child it's no longer worthy of getting rid of? Even though carrying and childbirth is temporary..? that makes no sense.. The born child can ruin her life just as much as preborn, just pre born the ruin or whatever will come. However, if a woman doesn't want to risk "ruining" her life, or going through the "pain" she should not have sex to begin with. You're one for science, well before humanity had learned many things like woman couldn't have birth control, or before condoms were invented, let alone abortion.. So, naturally, that proves that sex = baby. It isn't sex = enjoyment and choice of having a child. You're one for hardcore science, so you should accept that is what sex is really for, pleasure is just a added bonus.
However I'm most likely done on this because we're never going to agree.
Little white flowers will never awaken you, not when the cold depths have all but overtaken you.
Dearest, The days are all so long,
and in the shadows I spend them all.
My heart and I long for slumber.
Slumber I'm caressing you, I bless your touch, I lust for you.
Slumber you are not a dream, Not as much as you seem.
- Joao <3
Last edited by DeepDistress; 29-10-11 at 08:33 PM..
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A quick pro-choice rant
